BBCR1 Punk to Present Andy Kershaw - 19 Jan & 26 Jan

Tracks from the circulating demos tape


Are You Ready For War
Glue Zombie
In the Pouring Rain
Jericho (Ammunition)
National Powder
Out Of Control (Do it Now)
Rock n Roll City
This Is England
We Are The Clash
Backwoods Drive
Sex Mad War
Three Card Trick

Realeased on the offical album 001Joe Strummer


Czechoslovak Song Where is England (1983 demo)
Pouring Rain (July 1984 demo)
Blues On The River (July 1984 demo)
Crying On 23rd (1985 Outtake from Sid & Nancy)
Pouring Rain (1993)
U.S.North (1986 JS Mick Jones from Candy Mountain)
Before We Go Forward (July 1984 demo)
This Is England (July 1984 demo)
Before We Go Forward (July 1984)
This Is England (July 1984)

bmc wrote: - 07 Oct 2018, 5:27pm

Clash demos 

Beginning to think that all these demos are pre Lucky 8 (Nov 1983).

1) They are much more basic than Lucky 8 demos. This is England, Pouring Rain, Before We Go Forward (Nov 83 = Backwoods Drive)

2) We are The Clash has a good month by month account of the Clash and there is no reference to tapes in July 1984. The band are clicking their heels waiting. The next tape to appear is the end of August and is the 3 or 4 mariachi tracks recorded by Joe (with Kosmo there) in LA.

matedog wrote: - 10 Oct 2018, 10:36am

I'm beginning to think you are right. The key is probably the different versions of TIE, studying arrangements and lyrical changes to see if there is a coherent path from the August 83 demo to the CTC version. Pouring Rain is radically different in the "July 84" version than any other Clash 2 version. It might make more sense that it was actually pre-Nov 83 as you had suggested since by Nov. 83, it was the straight feel that Clash 2 played and then rearranged (still straight) around April 84. I don't think they played it after the May tour, so it's not impossible that he decided to radically rearrange it after the tour.

So I just compared a number of versions of TIE and decided to focus on one thing that seems to differentiate a number of the versions, the "...sit watching, a newspaper's being read" line.

The "July 84" version uses "Copper" again. It would seem unlikely that he would revert to this lyric change after performing it live for months one way and then go back to "police" by September. This leads credence to the idea that the "July 84" version is actually from sometime between August and November 83. Along with the "Where is England?" line at the end of it which was only ever used on the August 83 version.

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