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Tracks from the circulating demos tape
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Are You Ready For War |
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Released on the offical album 001Joe Strummer
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Czechoslovak Song Where is England (1983 demo) |
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1983
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Recording Out of Control demos |
| August Studio – Unknown Czechoslovak Song/Where Is England? Pouring Rain Before We Go Forward Line Up: Joe Strummer – Vocals, guitar, Paul Simonon – Bass, Pete Howard – Drums Source – Strummer 001 box set credits + speculation |
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Recording Out of Control demos |
| Nick Sheppard demos November 1983 Recorded at the Lucky 8 Studios, London, November 1983.This is a Clash recording of immence historical importance and interest. These are the only, so far discovered, Clash demos from the period after Mick Jones left the band. Amongst the tracks are a number that have never beenpreviously released.Track listing; Studio – Lucky 8 Studios Are You Ready For War? Jericho (Ammunition) Glue Zombie Sex Mad War Out of Control Galleani This Is England We Are the Clash Rock N Roll City National Powder In the Pouring Rain Before We Go Forward Dictator Three Card Trick Backwoods Drive, Line Up: Joe Strummer – Vocals, guitar, Nick Sheppard – Guitar, Paul Simonon – Bass, Pete Howard - Drums. Source - Nick Sheppard? |
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1984
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Demos - Joe Strummer 001 - demos |
| 2x demos included on official release. 1984 Previously Unreleased 1 inch 8-track Demos Recorded July 1984. Pouring Rain Blues On The River Joe Strummer: Vocals & Guitar. Paul Simonon: Bass. Pete Howard: Drums. Mixed by Peter J. Moore 2018 |
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Recording Out of Control demos |
| Late August – Studio - “tiny demo studio” in Los Angeles Joe and Kosmo record 3 or 4 songs with Mariachi players in LA. Tracks - Three or four unidentified songs except for “Three Card Trick”. Line Up: Joe Strummer – jazz rock guitar with built in keyboard, Percussion – unknown, Trumpet – unknown. Source – “We Are The Clash” page 188 |
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Joe, Andulucia demos |
| We are the Clash, page 201 | ||
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Brixton demos |
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New demos for CtC |
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1985
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New demos for CtC |
| January through April Studio - Weryton Studios Tracks - Cut the Crap and associated b-sides Line Up: Joe Strummer – vocals, Nick Sheppard – guitar, co-lead vocals, Vince White – guitar, Herman Young-Wagner – keyboards. Michael Fayne – drum machine programming, co-lead vocals on “Play To Win”, Norman Watt-Roy – bass on all tracks except “Do It Now” and “Sex Mad War”, Paul Simonon – bass on “Do It Now” and “Sex Mad War”, Pete Howard – drums on “Do It Now” and “Sex Mad War”, Producer Bernard Rhodes. Engineer – Ulli Rudolf, Simon Sullivan Source – “We Are The Clash” page 251, 258, “The Complete Clash. ”We are The Clash page 246 |
MOJO FOUND The unheard Clash 1984 tracks
October 2018 / 2 pages
According to Vince Whites book they did record live in the studio versions of the new songs, not the "out of control" demos which are actually rehearsals. They also made a recording of a selection of songs for a young lad who was very ill in hospital, they never heard back from him. I'd really love to hear something recorded in the studio from this period. Love the concert recordings too though particularly the later ones with Broadway, pressure drop,junco pardner etc...
pre Lucky 8 (Nov 1983)
bmc wrote: - 07 Oct 2018, 5:27pm
Clash demos
Beginning to think that all these demos are pre Lucky 8 (Nov 1983).
1) They are much more basic than Lucky 8 demos. This is England, Pouring Rain, Before We Go Forward (Nov 83 = Backwoods Drive)
2) We are The Clash has a good month by month account of the Clash and there is no reference to tapes in July 1984. The band are clicking their heels waiting. The next tape to appear is the end of August and is the 3 or 4 mariachi tracks recorded by Joe (with Kosmo there) in LA.
This is England
matedog wrote: ↑ - 10 Oct 2018, 10:36am
I'm beginning to think you are right. The key is probably the different versions of TIE, studying arrangements and lyrical changes to see if there is a coherent path from the August 83 demo to the CTC version. Pouring Rain is radically different in the "July 84" version than any other Clash 2 version. It might make more sense that it was actually pre-Nov 83 as you had suggested since by Nov. 83, it was the straight feel that Clash 2 played and then rearranged (still straight) around April 84. I don't think they played it after the May tour, so it's not impossible that he decided to radically rearrange it after the tour.
So I just compared a number of versions of TIE and decided to focus on one thing that seems to differentiate a number of the versions, the "...sit watching, a newspaper's being read" line.
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August 83 "Where Is England/Czechoslovak" version has "Patrol"
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Nov 83 - "Copper"
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Live 84 versions/CTC - "Police"
The "July 84" version uses "Copper" again. It would seem unlikely that he would revert to this lyric change after performing it live for months one way and then go back to "police" by September. This leads credence to the idea that the "July 84" version is actually from sometime between August and November 83. Along with the "Where is England?" line at the end of it which was only ever used on the August 83 version.
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