Dr Pepper Music Festival
Support Gregory Isaacs & Kurtis Blow
updated 17 July 2017
Audio 1
bit bassy but good - anal mast to cdr - Sound 4 - 85min - cdmast - tracks 24 - 14 Apr 02
Audio 2
master - 4+ sound - soundcheck - 24 mins
Audio 3 soundcheck
better than main set - analogue to master to cdr
Sound 4 - 22min - cdmast - tracks 5
Audio quality
A good sounding recording that also contains an interesting soundcheck.
An old version had a pretty good sound, good mix, good clarity and width spoilt by some echo/distance and tinnyness at the top end, a poor 4 overall.
An upgraded version from the master though is better, fractionally less tinny, you can make out the different drums hit and the bass is clear as guitars. It has a slightly bass heavy sound though
Soundcheck
A great soundcheck and better sound than the gig. Lasting some 22 minutes it contains 1977 instrumental, the versions of the Leader and a jamming Radio Clash.
High quality audience recordings circulate from the three Pier 84 shows; this is the best though. The taper is to be commended not just for the sound quality and presumably being backstage for the encore but for making the master tape widely available via Dime in 2006. All the instrumentation is captured clearly including bass, vocals suffer little from distance, the taper close to the stage for the gig and closer still for the soundcheck! For the gig, clapping near the taper does detract at times a little and Mick’s lead could be more prominent but these are minor quibbles for what is an excellent quality audience recording from back in the day.
Curiously Ghetto Defendant from the previous night was added to the Dime release in similar quality so presumably from the same taper but the recording of his whole 1st September gig does not sadly circulate.
Older versions circulate widely too with lesser but good quality sound and some versions have been sound processed to boost bass etc - a question of individual preference.
When The Clash played New York City it was always an event
When The Clash played New York City it was always an event. Whilst the 17 shows at Bonds maybe more legendary, the three sold out open air concerts at Pier 84 attracted 24,000 people and extensive TV and press coverage. The Bonds residency confirmed their ascendency but the Pier 84 shows confirmed they had made it in NYC and across much of the USA. The decision announced at the time of the Pier 84 shows to accept the Who’s offer to support them on their stadium tour was a conscious decision to reach still further into mainstream America (despite the obvious pitfalls and contradictions).
Paul and Joe were interviewed on CBS News before the first night at Pier 84 (Youtube). Joe said it had been a long tour and they were very tired. Another TV clip includes a tantalisingly short clip of the band on stage at Pier 84 during Clampdown and the wildly enthusiastic audience. The voiceover says that fans were there 5 hours before the band came on stage for the sold out shows. Fans are interviewed and Mick in his inimitable way explains that the band discourage fighting.
Two quality audience recordings exist capturing an excellent and memorable gig. Both recordings end after Pressure Drop suggesting this was the last song; did the band run over time and have to end the gig prematurely before their usual final song, Garageland etc?
Press commentary
Clint Roswell in a press preview of their Pier 84 headlined his piece as ‘The Clash: Into it now for the cash’. The justification was an interview with Mick and a quote taken out of context;“ This is the first tour we have ever made money on and I’m glad, because it’s about time we started thinking about ourselves” The piece does though include another Mick quote; ”We’re playing our music a little faster, a little harder like in the old days because that’s what suits us with Terry on drum. But we started as an everyman’s band and anybody who thinks we sold out, that’s their problem”
Another local press piece by Martin Porter of the first gig focussed on the objects being thrown at Joe from the audience and that his head made for an attractive target because of his Rockin’ Mohawk haircut! Joe having had enough tries a new and successful approach “..if any of you people have got any rocks or bottles you want to throw at my head you might as well do it now and get it over with! Anybody got ant missiles they’d like to throw at my head, let’s have it now, come on, you prefer it when I’m not looking right. The article though says that Joe then ‘bent forward over the stage and aimed his stripe of bush (can) at the crowd. A gutsy and potentially hazardous maneuverer but apparently one that paid off. The rowdy crowd was stunned by the challenge. Not a single bottle was tossed Strummer’s way..’
Stephen Holden for the New York Times (published 5th September) reviewed the first night positively saying it ‘was everything that last year's debacle at the Bond International Casino wasn't. The sound system made the band's leftist political slogans relatively clear, and the open-air setting gave both them and the audience room to breathe.’ Also in contrast to Grandmaster Flash and the Furious Five being booed off the stage at Bonds, Kurtis Blow was ‘treated politely’ He concluded his piece; Terry Chimes, the group's original drummer, who has replaced Mr. Headon, more than held his own, keeping the rhythms tight and militant while avoiding tedious rat-a-tat-tat, and Joe Strummer's raspy good-hearted singing reminded a listener of the Bob Dylan of the 1960's. Despite all its problems, the band seems here to stay.’
A piece in the Daily News (also published 5th September) includes a negative comparison with Elvis Costello and a review of the 31st August gig. Terry and Paul are criticised for their musicianship; the band it said switching to older easier to play songs following Topper’s departure and Paul out of tempo with Terry.
The Clash: Into it now for the cash
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Support
Reflecting The Clash’s musical interests the support acts were the Jamaican “Cool Ruler” Gregory Isaacs and New York pioneer rapper and DJ, Kurtis Blow, who had provided support earlier in the tour too.
The two acts though had different experiences Gregory Isaacs was late and got booed; he did not show for the second night.
Kurtis though was savvy and knew how to work the audience in his favour. An excerpt from the book Love, Peace, and Soul: Behind the Scenes of America’s Favorite Dance Show Soul Train by Ericka Blount Danois below -
In 1982, Paige booked Kurtis to open for the British punk rock group the Clash at Pier 84, a floating stage next to the Intrepid, in New York City. Rock and rap were still distant cousins (Kurtis would later feature Bob Dylan as a guest on his single “Street Rock”), related by a rebellious spirit. But many rock purists didn’t understand or accept hip-hop.
The Clash was an intimidating group and often drew a crowd that was difficult to open for—many newbies were barraged with bottles and beer cans. Gregory Isaacs was infamously booed. Many top-rated artists didn’t make it opening for them unscathed by empty bottles.
Kurtis had a different idea. As an emcee he had grown used to pumping up a crowd, prepping them with anticipation. “Are you ready to hear the Clash?” he asked the impatient crowd. “AAAAHHHHHHHHH!!!!!” they screamed. “Well, ladies and gentleman—my name is Kurtis Blow, and the Clash asked me to come out and sing one song for you. Can I sing one song?”
“RAHHHHHHH!!!!” they roared as he launched smoothly into “The Breaks.” After “The Breaks” he asked: “Are you ready for the Clash? “If you’re ready, say HOOOOO!!” “HOOOOOO!” they answered. “Everybody scream!” “AHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!” He had them in the palm of his hand. Or so he thought. He heard a surge of booing coming from the ground.
“Okay, one more song and then the Clash will come out,” Kurtis played this game with them for another thirty-five minutes. He did this for three nights and had everybody up in the stands dancing and didn’t get beer bottles thrown at him. The Clash ended up taking him on tour doing thirty shows around America, introducing hip-hop to a hardcore rock ’n’ roll crowd.
Terrific live photos of the gig were posted on Flickr by
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Pier 84, Manhatten, New York
The Dr. Pepper Central Park Music Festival ran at the Wollman Rink from 1977 to 1980. In 1981, the Dr. Pepper concerts moved to Pier 84 on the Hudson River until 1988. The whole site spectacularly dramatized by the brooding presence of the aircraft carrier ''Intrepid,'' This was a great time in NYC to see summer shows with promoter Delsener putting on the likes of Led Zeppelin, The Who, Bob Marley, and many others. NY Times June 25 1982 stated ‘The Dr Pepper Music Festival's present location, Pier 84 at 12th Avenue and 45th Street, is not exactly Central Park, the festival's former home, but it is on the water. And the feature that always made the festival one of the city's most popular pop-music events - low ticket prices - has been retained.
The days when a music fan could wander into the park and hear the Young Rascals and the Jimi Hendrix Experience for $2 are gone forever, but this summer it will be possible to hear Bonnie Raitt, Miles Davis, King Crimson and Rickie Lee Jones, among others, for $7. With top ticket prices for most pop concerts passing the $15 mark and heading for $20, the Dr Pepper Music Festival is still a bargain. The August shows also begin at 8 P.M. Tickets are on sale at Ticketron outlets’.
“Good evening and welcome to the open air Casbah Club on Pier 84"
“Good evening and welcome to the open air Casbah Club on Pier 84 - somewhere in America! This song is entitled London Calling to the faraway towns”. The excellent sound quality is very apparent but there’s some annoying clapping near the taper but fortunately is only sporadic throughout the gig. Mick’s solo almost inaudible.
“Rights, out of sight and dynamite!” cries Joe over the terrific opening of One More Time. Joe’s slashing rhythm guitar chords crystal clear, the band indeed sound pumped up driving the song along hard and fast. Mick’s guitar is clearer with Joe in good voice; not extended but very enjoyable.
“This is Terry Chimes on the drum kit” into the New York themed Car Jamming, adding songs not played on earlier nights. Drops down to drum and bass and Mick’s effects clear; the audience are very enthusiastic. Know Your Rights sounds great but Mick’s solo lost amongst his effects. It does not have the rockabilly swing - would have been fascinating to hear Topper playing this song on the UK & US tours.
“Brixton, Mr Paul Simonon”; guitar swop time on Guns of Brixton. There’s a variation on the usual intro before Joe picks out the bass line. Excellent again; the band stretching out over the extended instrumental ending. Stay Free gets a welcome appearance next, the taper best placed seemingly for Joe’s guitar with Mick’s not prominent enough. Joe though provides some Beatle harmonies on a very enjoyable performance.
A good not great Rock The Casbah follows, Terry’s drumming to the fore and crystal clear. Career Opportunities orders Joe urgently, not wanting gaps between songs, the band oblige with a pumped up delivery. Despite a memorable Strummer adlib, a very enjoyable Magnificent Seven next with Paul’s bass lines really clear, the instrumental bridge variant a highlight.
A strong intense Police On My Back sounds great with Mick belting out his vocals. “Well this is the British National Anthem!“ Mick’s lead clear and loud on The Leader intro but Joe’s voice too far back. Straight into Janie Jones followed by the soundcheck highlight and a main set highlight; Radio Clash complete with Mick’s battery of effects.
English Civil War sounds great too; a passionate Strummer vocal followed by his wailed “Murder, Murder, Muuuurder!” Not an inspired opening crescendo to Somebody Got Murdered but a strong intense performance.
“Has anybody down here noticed I haven’t been looking at them? Yeah or No? It feels so weird to be stuck up on this shelf..when the lights are down I can’t see or hear anything so I feel we’re sort of rehearsing to an empty black space! I don’t want to look at you in case it’s horrible -! Mick knows what the next song is so I’ll leave it to him” Joe acknowledging he’s struggling to connect with the audience from the elevated stage but particularly with the encores overcomes these hurdles. Clampdown sounds great with a appeal for the weather to break and to Dylan’s Hard Rains A’Gonna Fall “let there be drums.. make it rain , yeah even Bob Dylan knew, through the fall, through the sky” sequeing into a frantic I Fought The Law to end the main set.
Charlie Don’t Surf unusually kicks off the encores, Joe conducting the Pier 84 choir as the audience sing back. A fine Should I Stay is followed by a rather languid (if that’s possible) Complete Control, Joe slightly hoarse and Mick’s guitar solo thin; no paint stripping version.
The band kick it up a level for the second encore though when the storm finally broke and the heaven’s opened. Beginning with a fine Straight To Hell with Joe in fine voice, followed by a fired up Brand New Cadillac. Mick’s shouted “1-2-3” kicks off an even better White Man In Hammersmith Palais with Mick’s backing vocals clear and impressive as is his playing over the extended finale at which from the roar from the audience its assumed the heaven’s finally opened to cool the cooked audience.
Then straight into White Riot the rain pouring down and the audience going crazy; Mick’s solo largely lost in mayhem. A memorable way to end a memorable night.
Where does The Clash go from here?
Miscellany News, Volume LXXII, Number 7,
29 October 1982 page 12
"The Clash were totally energized by this as was the crowd, I will never forget this scene. It is burned into my brain."
Terry : “Somewhere along the line we saw The Clash 3 nights in a row outdoors at Pier 84 in New York City. At the end of the last show, a heavy summer thunderstorm rolled in. Instead of leaving the stage, they turned on all the lights and the band broke into White Riot! Although the stage was covered, the house lights seemed to light up every big raindrop all around them and the crowd. The Clash were totally energized by this as was the crowd. I will never forget this scene. It is burned into my brain."
“I ended up seeing the Clash 40+ times with the last gig being the one where it pissed-down on the Pier in New York, this was also the height of my 'I'm on the guest list' blagging, when I managed to get myself & two friends in even though there was no way I was on that bit of paper, the Pier gig was the best I had seen the Clash in a number of years (1st gigs being the White Riot tour), the humidity and the incredible electric storm which broke-out were the catalyst for a great and exciting atmosphere and inspired the band as well as the audience; the forked lightning and monsoon-like rain, which came-in at an angle and totally drenched the band and their gear right at the end of the set, felt like a release from the oppressive heat of the day, I actually couldn't believe that they carried on playing as I'd have thought the chances of an electric shock were very high. The rain was so hard that my leather jacket was soaked on the inside as well as out."
By the time the encore came around it was pouring
“I remember a 1982 outdoor show in new york at pier 84. it was cloudy all throughout until the end of the concert when it started to rain. By the time the encore came around it was pouring but that didn't stop the band. the lights were turned off but they kept playing and everyone got soaked in the process as the stage wasn't covered.” Daymar 77 http://forums.stevehoffman.tv/threads/the-clash-share-your-stories.314356/page-3
The Clash refused to bail and in fact broke into an unexpected White Riot
“..Was at the Palladium '80, 5 Bonds Shows including opening night and the Pier show when the sky opened up and the band, getting soaked, refused to bail and in fact broke into an unexpected White Riot with the crowd in a frenzy while getting soaked to the bone…I had the amazing good fortune to spend some time with Joe in 1989 and talked to him about that Pier Show moment which he remembered well, including wondering if he was going to get electrocuted in the rain!”
The Clash kept on playing when the rain started and the crowd when crazy
The Clash - Dr. Pepper Summer Concert Series
Jul 22, 2014
I made it to the Clash’s 3rd show at Pier 84 on Thursday, September 2, 1982 this was a part of the Dr. Pepper Summer Concert Series. Clash at Pier 84. The two things I remember about this concert are the crowd booing Kurtis Blow off the stage and the thunderstorm that moved in from New Jersey. The Clash kept on playing when the rain started and the crowd when crazy. Soaking wet we rocked the night away Joe and the band.
The audience was mostly white kids who were not into Rap yet. I assume you would call Kurtis Blow old school now, but then he was still new. Kurtis Blow became the first Rapper to be signed by a major label in 1979. This was a concert that I can never forget. http://stubstory.com/the-clash-live-in-concert/
Then saw them on the Combat Rock tour on Pier 84 in Manhattan. Very hot day but a huge thunderstorm rolled in for the encores. Cooled everyone off, you couldn't have scripted it better with the thunder and lightning and pretty soon it was this monsoon rain coming down. They ended with "White Riot", only time I saw them play it. That was probably the greatest show I've ever been to.
Saw them again at RPI in Troy NY on that tour and the new Clash in Poughkeepsie in 1984, but you couldn't top the first two shows I saw in NYC. ulysseseah it was the September 2nd show on the Pier. I remember Strummer was working with the roadies when the opening groups were playing, you couldn't miss him with the mohawk. Some people were being jerks towards Kurtis Blow, throwing cups at him and mocking him. Idiots. Afterwards when we were all leaving people was still hollering "white riot" a dozen blocks away in the pouring rain.
..Other memory is rain pouring down, and crowd going nuts at Pier 84, and MJ dropping guitar during encore and it sliding across the stage letting out a roar of feedback, crowd goes nuttier. Still have my torn, water logged stub.
The harder the rain got the wilder the Clash got & the crowd was going apesh*t.
I was at the show at Pier 84 in 1982-it was the third of 3 nights there and it started raining toward the end of the set and by the encores it was pouring-the harder the rain got the wilder the Clash got & the crowd was going apesh*t...what a great show! I saw them on the 1st night at the Pier & it didn't compare
They just kept playing and when they went into White Riot
Rayc - I remember this show because the last 3 songs were played during a monsoon of rain.They just kept playing and when they went into White Riot it was just a moment I knew I would never forget -
BornLate - White Riot in the lightning - right show? Kurtis Blow opened and was not treated well.
the stub says "Rain or shine, and they meant it!!
On thursday, september 2, 1982, I was crushed up against the stage at pier 84 in manhattan for the clashes' last "Combat rock" new york city show.
It poured rain for the whole show, and I could barely move an inch.
The clash played their full show (the stub says "Rain or shine, and they meant it!!), and they kicked some butt real good! I was soaking wet, exhausted, and bruised by the time the show ended.
Before I left, I pulled out my trusty pocket knife (probably couldn't get into a show today with one!) and removed some stage camouflage that was hanging down in front of me. This is that piece of stage camouflage, along with my ticket stub from the show. This piece of camo is made out of some kind of rubberized canvas and measures about 10" x 12". Get a piece of history from the only band that matters!
The band just kept on playing, so we didn’t run for it
Monika Gross. Unforgettable. The sight of that dark storm rapidly crossing the Hudson, and the band just kept on playing, so we didn’t run. And they did three more encores! We were soaked and LIVING LARGE. Nothing like it. Nothing like it.
Anon1: White riot in the rain will always be my favorite memory, that and being on stage with them at bonds.
One of my best memory was that stormy day…
Anon2: There are some fine live photos from Bob Gruen (included in his excellent book) and backstage photos from the after show party here -
The soundcheck lasts some 24 minutes and contains Charlie Don’t Surf, 1977 instrumental, a number of versions of the Leader and the highlight an extended Radio Clash; all in great sound quality. Joe jokes about sending out a search party for the Cool Ruler, Gregory Isaacs who did not show after the poor audience reception on the first night.
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The Pier gig was the best I had seen the Clash in a number of years
"I often check your site for trip down memory lane and I was just reading about the Harlesdon Colliseum gigs, I went to one of these (and taped it ~bad sound as I remember) and I think one significant thing about these gigs was the fact that a quantity of t-shirts were given away on both nights, you can see one of these shirts in the bottom left of the attached picture (I have one washed & shrunk and another unworn), also shown are a Suicide TS bought at the Music Machine gig (Suicide received a bad case of bottling by Clash 'fans' at this one) and a couple of shirts from the Brixton gigs, I think 5th Column printed these as the guys were on the stall, I was selling Mikey Dread tees for Cosmo at the second set of dates the Clash played at this venue (late July).
The Music Machine tape, an amusing (in retrospect) story about this tape, which I thought had great sound, was that a close friend badgered me to borrow it for weeks, I lent it to him but wasn't truly comfortable about doing so. Calling round his house one day his Mum said 'He's in his room, go right up!' I did so only to find my mate with unspooled cassette tape all over his floor (it was a C120) and him with a pencil in the cassette trying to get it all back in again. The tape was fucked & had to be thrown away.
I remember it was the gig where Joe went on about Aberdeen & Perthshire etc before Safe European Home, they played Blitzkrieg Bop that night and Cook & Jones joined for a couple of encores along (I think) with that idiot Jimmy Sham. I have the cassette box with the track listing if its of any use.
I ended up seeing the Clash 40+ times with the last gig being the one where it pissed-down on the Pier in New York, this was also the height of my 'I'm on the guest list' blagging, when I managed to get myseld & two friends in even though there was no way I was on that bit of paper, the Pier gig was the best I had seen the Clash in a number of years (1st gigs being the White Riot tour), the humidity and the incredible electric storm which broke-out were the catalyst for a great and exciting atmosphere and inspired the band as well as the audience; the forked lightning and monsoon-like rain, which came-in at an angle and totally drenched the band and their gear right at the end of the set, felt like a release from the oppressive heat of the day, I actually couldn't believe that they carried on playing as I'd have thought the chances of an electric shock were very high. The rain was so hard that my leather jacket was soaked on the inside as well as out."
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